tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post2852518444938491940..comments2024-03-15T06:49:10.733-07:00Comments on The Busy Catholic: CCCB pastoral letter on same-sex attractionThe Busy Catholichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07744261268763084668noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-26761194586378829482011-07-18T14:07:34.388-07:002011-07-18T14:07:34.388-07:00Paul what I have been trying to convey is basicall...Paul what I have been trying to convey is basically this: it is not about a religious institution, nor about your neighbour, not about me, and not really about you either- this is simply about forming a direct relationship with God; or more precisely - discovering the God within. For most of us that goal is not only scary but perhaps beyond our immediate imagination.<br />In order to develop treberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401478566652815902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-31130000584709187812011-07-15T11:26:10.124-07:002011-07-15T11:26:10.124-07:00Well, we’re not making much progress, I’m afraid.
...Well, we’re not making much progress, I’m afraid.<br /><br />Trebert, your replies are nicely written but they’re hardly persuasive if we’re trying to establish truth. By quoting people who dissent from what the Church believes, you’re simply reiterating what you wish were true.<br /><br />In fact most of what you write is heavily subjective. Take a look at your first paragraph alone:<br /><br />Life in the Schratz Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155323256357610898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-46815062865175402152011-07-14T09:49:25.693-07:002011-07-14T09:49:25.693-07:00This Blog is part of The B.C. Catholic newspaper&#...This Blog is part of The B.C. Catholic newspaper's overall media structure. <br /><br />You and "Paul" are commenting. It is not Paul's blog.<br /><br />Malin Jordan<br />Editor<br />The B.C. CatholicThe Busy Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07744261268763084668noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-24271900800395884172011-07-14T08:11:18.359-07:002011-07-14T08:11:18.359-07:00Dear Paul
Here follow my responses on the questio...Dear Paul<br /><br />Here follow my responses on the question of Relativity and Tradition. <br /><br />On Relativism<br />Benedict XVI has repeatedly warned that If natural law is not respected, then life, family and society become victims of ethical relativism. INFORMED Catholics now need to ask “can all ethical questions involving life’s circumstances be so easily determined or understood thattreberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401478566652815902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-46815508929774991022011-07-13T19:53:35.774-07:002011-07-13T19:53:35.774-07:00On Freedom of Religion/Conscience:
Catholic peopl...On Freedom of Religion/Conscience: <br />Catholic people must be taught to develop an informed conscience through prayer and trust in the Holy Spirit. For most Catholics an informed conscience will probably be based on Church teachings. The final decision however rests with the responsible individual. Freedom of conscience has been a hard fought issue within the Church. Some Catholics treberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401478566652815902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-36897027016418954232011-07-13T14:46:03.707-07:002011-07-13T14:46:03.707-07:00Paul
Before I go any further please understand, I...Paul<br /><br />Before I go any further please understand, I'm primarily interested in your story - not so much that of the Church. Your blog does not contain your profile, so I know little about your background. Would you be willing to provide as much as you feel comfortable (bearing in mind your blog is open to other readers). <br />BTW how is this blog connected to the BC Catholic treberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401478566652815902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-84399631424101214622011-07-13T11:53:21.469-07:002011-07-13T11:53:21.469-07:00Dear Trebert:
Why suddenly am I hearing in the bac...Dear Trebert:<br />Why suddenly am I hearing in the background that old Dave Mason song with the chorus that goes: “there ain’t no good guys, there ain’t no bad guys, there’s only you and me and we just disagree.”<br /><br />Where to start…<br /><br />When I said at the outset of our discussion that we should go back to first principles, I wasn’t expecting to go back to the foundations of the Life in the Schratz Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155323256357610898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-15645617637259517522011-07-12T12:05:11.971-07:002011-07-12T12:05:11.971-07:00My dear friend Paul
You are probably not going to...My dear friend Paul<br /><br />You are probably not going to like this but Jesus did not found the Church or any other religious institution. <br />There are today very few theologians, even Catholic, who would deny this fact. The reasons will be quite easy to understand when you read my blog on this very topic: <br />http://whenreligionfails.blogspot.com/2011/02/treberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401478566652815902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-16677521308177007912011-07-11T21:14:12.875-07:002011-07-11T21:14:12.875-07:00Paul:
Do you only want me to share what the Churc...Paul:<br /> Do you only want me to share what the Church teaches? (for that we could simply read the Catechism).<br />I’m interested to hear from you how de Mello’s and Rohr’s views/writings are incompatible with Catholic teachings? (I have never understood the reasons behind de Mello’s temporary silencing or where Rohr has challenged Church teachings except on homosexuality perhaps. More treberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401478566652815902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-87258088431548272822011-07-11T16:10:27.173-07:002011-07-11T16:10:27.173-07:00BTW, it doesn't help us in our debate to cite ...BTW, it doesn't help us in our debate to cite Fathers de Mello or Rohr since they both hold positions that are incompatible with the Catholic faith.<br /><br />If we're trying to find truth and establish whether what the Church teaches is true, we have to go back to first principles, not writers whose writings have already made clear their views on the topic.Life in the Schratz Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155323256357610898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-61040511744111786892011-07-11T16:05:46.575-07:002011-07-11T16:05:46.575-07:00I think we're getting into the meat of things ...I think we're getting into the meat of things now.<br /><br />You cite the need to challenge and to be challenged. Indeed, our Catholic faith is a challenge. It challenges us daily to love God and love our neighbour as ourselves. Living the Good News is an immense challenge.<br /><br />Today’s culture often misinterprets challenge as confrontation, which frequently is translated into opposingLife in the Schratz Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155323256357610898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-71544540617259312172011-07-10T17:53:43.016-07:002011-07-10T17:53:43.016-07:00Paul
My wife and I took part in numerous Ignatian...Paul <br />My wife and I took part in numerous Ignatian retreats years ago and often reflect on them for the treasures they were and remain. The Jesuit priests there were as sensitive as they were outspoken but always in a gentle way. Those were exiting years because they challenged us to embrace the bigger picture of an unconditionally loving God. It was here that we were first introduced to treberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401478566652815902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-43625749277124248632011-07-09T04:34:40.013-07:002011-07-09T04:34:40.013-07:00Just came across this video about St. Ignatius of ...Just came across this video about St. Ignatius of Loyola, reminding me that we can find God "in all things." It reminded me of your comment about finding God in nature. http://vimeo.com/20880588<br /><br />It seems our discussion is already bearing fruit!<br /><br />More on this Ignatian concept: http://ignatianspirituality.com/what-is-ignatian-spirituality/the-ignatian-way/Life in the Schratz Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155323256357610898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-8851105142723320372011-07-08T15:39:45.446-07:002011-07-08T15:39:45.446-07:00Thanks, Trebert. I read your blog on evangelizatio...Thanks, Trebert. I read your blog on evangelization and I think there are a couple of things we agree on that can serve as starting points for our dialogue.<br /><br />We agree that God wants to reveal Himself to us and uses Tradition, Scripture and Nature to do so.<br />We agree that the Holy Spirit helps us discern God's will.<br /><br />If we begin at these foundational issues, perhaps we Life in the Schratz Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155323256357610898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-38077705284325591732011-07-06T17:17:57.186-07:002011-07-06T17:17:57.186-07:00Paul
You covered quite a large area - so at this ...Paul<br /><br />You covered quite a large area - so at this time I will merely try to address some of your questions contained in your last paragraph. Hopefully my responses will reveal where I stand and encourage you toward further challenging dialogue.<br /><br />The Church has a unique and authoritative teaching role that is long established through Tradition and Scripture.<br />- Tradition, treberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401478566652815902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-31764484229638468352011-07-05T04:44:34.722-07:002011-07-05T04:44:34.722-07:00Dear Trebert:
Thank you for your comment on the ...Dear Trebert:<br /> <br />Thank you for your comment on the Canadian bishops’ new pastoral letter on same-sex attraction. You’re right that through honest dialogue real transformation can be achieved, although let’s not discount what can be accomplished outside normal channels through God’s grace and the work of the Holy Spirit. (St. Paul’s conversion comes to mind.)<br /> <br />Unfortunately, Life in the Schratz Lanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14155323256357610898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7755901990281801992.post-38041028129351866672011-07-02T17:07:46.210-07:002011-07-02T17:07:46.210-07:00Because you did not elaborate on the Pastoral Lett...Because you did not elaborate on the Pastoral Letter on Same-Sex Marriage I took the liberty to submit this alternate view on the matter. It is only through honest dialogue that the possibility of real transformation can be achieved. <br />I will totally respect your right to remove the comments in my blog as follows: http://whenreligionfails.blogspot.com/2011/06/same-sex-attraction.html or you treberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16401478566652815902noreply@blogger.com